Kerry Concedes – Bush Remains

It is decided. Bush remains for four more years in the White House.

As a declared opponent of everything that is Bush, this is misery.

It was not even a big victory. Had the result been completely unmistakable, it would be easier to cope with. But as of this writing, Bush only won because Kerry conceded—even though the result would probably have been in favor of Bush anyway. But considering that Bush was the sitting president, and at war even, that would usually rally a strong support. Seen from that point of view, it’s almost surprising Kerry got so much support. Even so, it looks like the world is stuck with the Texan for four more years.

What can we expect? Most likely constitutional marriage amendments, a continuing ban on stem-cell research and abortion, oil drilling in Alaska, and a continuing war in Iraq with little European support.

My deepest sympathies are with not only those in favor of Kerry, but indeed those in favor of Bush as well.

To my sensible friends abroad: keep your chin high, and remember Karma. And know, that sometimes things have to get a lot worse, before they get better. So once again, Godspeed.

20 thoughts on “Kerry Concedes – Bush Remains”

  1. Christopher says:

    Sniff. Thanks, Joen.

  2. Joen says:

    We all, but especially you from the US, need as much consolation as we can get.

    I just visited A punch in the heart. So simple a message, and so profusely sad.

  3. brian says:

    It wasn?t a landslide no, but he clearly won the popular vote AND the Electoral College. When you look at the electoral map Bush won, but Kerry lost even more. Kerry wasn?t even close to 270 and as I understand it right now Bush is at 274.

    Not only did bush win, but the republicans gained seats in the house and the senate, they lost their poster child speaker Daschle in South Dakota. He was the second closest watched race in the country, he was known for slowing down and blocking legislation simply out of spite. Good riddance.

    I?m all for opposition and more discussion on the issues, but partisan politics and excessive filibustering has got to stop; it holds the nation back and drives the wedge even deeper. Daschle’s replacement is a moderate democrat and has already committed to working across party lines to see legislation passed that benefit the country.

    A reminder about Marrage Amendments, the large majority of (religious) Americans support a Marriage Amendment, while a lesser majority of non-religious Americans supports it as well. If not a federal one, a state one. I support the federal amendment, but I think there needs to be some sort of compromise with certain issues.

    On stem cell research, Bush is the first president EVER to support federal funding of it, just because he hasn?t removed all regulation and let the scientists run wild people accuse him of being against it. He is only against new lines of stem cell research because it would lead to further destruction of human embryos. He is often mischaracterized on this issue. I think we need to respect the life that is within a human embryo.

    As for Alaskan oil drilling, has the idea that it could be successful and beneficial for the US to do so? Drilling in Alaska could be done as safely and environmentally safe as it is done in Texas or Arabia or Russia or Venezuela. The Arab world wasn?t exactly our friend before the war in Iraq and they don?t really seem to want to help us out in our oil situation and we need to find means to supply energy for the country without relying on the Saudis. Yes renewable energy sources are ideal, but that won?t happen for another 15-25 years and that?s on a fast track. In the mean time the US will need oil and right now there is not going to be enough oil in the places we are getting it from.

    Cutting and running in Iraq is the worst possible thing we could do. It needs to be completed as efficiently as possible and the result could be a stronghold of stability in an unstable region. We may not agree on the issues for why we went to Iraq the only issue now is that Iraq must be successful. If Iraq is not successful the entire world will end up paying the tag, not just the US.

    I know we will have to agree to disagree. That is fine and good with me. But please don?t accuse all Americans who voted for Bush as being incompetent or uninformed. Americans are not as dumb as we are characterized. Granted we do some really stupid things, I think everyone in the world could be accused of the same.

    If karma has anything to do with this, don?t forget all the benefit that has come to the world because of the US. We are rarely thanked and overly criticized for our contributions to the world. America won?t last forever, just like every great nation but at least show us the amount of respect we have tried to show every other decent democracy on the earth. Had it not been for America who knows what state the world would be in now. From technological to medical to arts and humanities America has contributed a great deal to the world and just because a good portion of the world has a personal dislike for our current president, who is in no way perfect, just like the rest of the world don?t bash us.

    Americans cast the best vote they could this year and the lot fell where it did. The only thing we can do now is work together. I hope I don?t ever come across as an arrogant American because I hate it as much as the rest of the world. Let?s just move on with the best attitude we can. I remember this weekend I made up my mind that if Kerry were elected, as much as I would have lamented it I would have supported whatever he did.

    That is my job as the citizen of this country, to submit to the authority and leadership of those who are charged with the job of running a country. I think a great deal of people in our age bracket would do well to think about what it means to consider authority, we are a generation who tries to throw off every restraint, and that is what leads to the destruction of a nation, lack of restraint. It however is not my job to have a horrible negative attitude for 4 years and overly criticize every move a leader makes. That borders on rebellion and I don?t want to betray my country, regardless of my personal opinion of its current leader. Teamwork benefits everyone. That?s why I?m an independent, I’m unaffiliated, that lets me choose who I think is best and work with whoever wins even if it wasn?t the guy I chose.

    My personal suggestion to Bush now is to offer Kerry a position in his cabinet for the next 4 years. With the support Kerry generated in his campaign he surely has at least 48% support for something. It?s likely that Colon Powell will retire soon, and Kerry could possibly make a good secretary of state. He surely is an internationalist and claims he can bolster foreign support for the US even though I think that?s a greater challenge than he realizes. Tell me what you think of that possibility.

    On a side note.

    Isn?t it funny how they skew a persons picture to make them look bad? To me that?s gotta be one of the 10 commandments of graphic design, “Thou shalt not skew”. But hey I understand their man lost, they are entitled to a little extra mud.

  4. Well said, Joen. The fact is i have as a practice,scoffed at most people on both sides of the party line when they rant about the foe, i’ve tried to be as unbiased and really deal with my own sense of social responsibility throughout the years of voting in California…

    I made up my mind to be against war from along time ago… If we really knew why Corporations have their Board of Trustees (Profits Irregardless! Growth! Growth! Growth!) in mind and not humanity, I think we would understand the hatred against America in a time when America could give a shit about foreign traditions, politics, history, moral value systems, much less their religions, and then realize that our “Corporate Universal World Market” mindset is destroying everything in it’s path.

    <sarcasm>(hold on, i’m going to get a Venti No Whip Non-Fat Sugar-Free Hazelnut Latte…. ..cuz i’m watchin my weight!)</sarcasm>…HELLO?
    oh, and here is some background for those that don’t know Kerry’s history (don’t fight this one, hello, it’s on film from years ago).

  5. amory says:

    it’s been really hard to handle the notion of another four years…the concession speech was also very piercingly sad. to add to your list, i would argue that the draft is another likely occurrence if there is an invasion of either north korea or iran. keep up hope and the possibility of maybe hillary running in 2008.

  6. Christopher says:

    As much as I would love to see a Clinton/Edwards ‘08 or Clinton/Dean ‘08 ticket or however you’d like to configure it I think it highly unlikely that would be a winning ticket.

    In American National politics there are two polarizing characters. For the right there is George W. Bush. For the left is Hillary Clinton.

    The loss today has nothing to do with the man though. Its entirely possible that 2008 will be a Republican year as well. Not because we can’t find the right ticket. More, because we can’t get the red states to trust us or join in our vision of America. The funny thing is that if you ask the red states what their vision is more often than not it is parallel to the Democratic vision not the Republican.

    Apologies for borrowing web space Joen but you get more hits than I do and you know how I feel about all this. 🙂

  7. brian says:

    Bush put forth the message that the economy is a mediocre one, Kerry put out the message that the economy is a miserable one. Bush put out the message that we are in a difficult war, not a disastrous one as Kerry did. Bush put it out there as it is in reality and he put out a message of hope and was clear on how we improve it.

    Kerry put out a message of extreme negativity and then tried to offer hope to counter how bad things are? He just forgot to tell us about the details. Bush has had a proven track record, at least we know what to expect from him, If Kerry had been elected I don?t think anyone could tell us exactly which one of the Kerry?s would have been sworn in.

  8. Joen says:

    brian, Christopher, amory, and luxuryluke, thanks for your comments and patience with the server woes. I will reply indepth at a later time.

    This comment is just to let you know that comment moderation prevented posts with more than 2 links from being added—the limit is now 5, and I have of course approved your posts.

    Before replying indepth to your good points, I’d like to make a Simpsons reference; in an episode about garbage management in Springfield, Homer gets elected mayor in the most muddy election. Once Homer screws up severely, and blows the entire Springfield budget on the garbage management, he’s fired and Springfield yells for the old mayor to return to his post. The old mayor steps up and says “Screw yourselves, you’re on your own”.

    That pretty much sums up my feelings for all Bush voters, and indeed this election.

  9. Daniel Pi says:

    That’s a good episode. 🙂

  10. Anon says:

    I don’t like Bush much, but I think your comment that Bush is “continuing [a] ban on stem-cell research” is false. He never banned it, but limited government funding of it. This is far different from banning businesses use private funds to continue stem cell research (which is what an actual ban consists of). Perhaps you should post a correction or explanation of what you meant.

    By the way this is a very cool site! I like how this journal operates! Very slick Joen.

  11. brian says:

    I just keep reminding myself that the majority of the online population is not represenative of the rest of the actual world. Thankfully. 70-85% of the (actively) online population ie those who have weblogs, write columns, make the “news” and not to mention the artistic community, which has been traditionally far more liberal than the rest of the world. My only solance in a disproportionate world of flame wars.

    I will do my best to keep from writing any more super long posts like I did earlier, I can be sort of long winded sometimes. Sorry! 🙂

    This just brings up my issue that I mentioned to daniel pi before about how it seems that a lot of democrats have got this feeling of “intelectuall superiority” over the rest of america. I hope I wasnt too accusatory to Daniel in asking what I asked.

    Maybe thats an issue we could discuss more effectively because we are gonna end up just diagreeing on a lot of the facts concerning Bush.

    This Red vs. Blue episode is PURFECT description of how a lot of online discussions go. “tee hee hee.”

    Why is it that people who achieve higher degrees of learning tend more and more liberal while a smaller percentage of those who recieve higher education remain conservative? The trend I have seen in my lifetime is this, many of my friends were born to convsertative churchgoing parents, and when they went off to college they took a suprisingly fast turn towards far left liberalisim without even asking why they were doing so, it seemed like it was unconscious because of the friends they were hanging around. While few retain their religious upbringing those who do have become some of the best christians I know. By best I mean that they understand what they believe, why the believe it, and understand why they dont believe another way. They have made their religious choice intelectually instead of just accepting what they have been spoonfed, which is how it should be if you ask me, no matter you are going to believe.

    Just some questions to ponder.

  12. amory says:

    brian while i appriciate your comments, you still can not dismiss the bush administration’s bridging of church and state. polls showing that the key issue was “values” exhibits this even more. also to your point about kerry being negitive, how then would you describe the fear-based tactics of cheney et al?

    there are also obvious shortcomings with how they are ignoring our environment among other things. i really don’t want to make this into a debate…rather a post that consolodated with some fellow views.

  13. Christopher says:

    re: Anon and stem cell research.

    Correct that he banned government funding of stem cell research but that is still a huge impact on further research. Many of the labs that would do this research operate on government grants, not private funding. It would be lovely if companies were altruistic enough to do these things on their own but sometimes they just can’t afford to be.

    Also, if a lab is doing research on (insert government approved research here) and they are also doing stem cell research their funding for all their projects from the government could be cut even though the government funds are only being used for the approved project. just because its hard to tell where the money is actually going. In the software world its referred to as not being a “clean room” lab situation.

    It all gets terribly muddled from there on. This is just a very simplified argument. It would take a few pages to really be thorough and avoid oversimplification.

  14. brian says:

    Understood about the debate thing thanks for letting me know. I keep procrastinating on a lot of work i have to do as well and i should really get crackin on it.

    I do love your blog though, quite frankly im getting more and more inspired to start my own. I have had one my girlfriend and i write things back and forth on personally but there is no public access to it. She has been studying abroad for 5 months in santiago chile and she comes home in about 40 days. I cant wait, ive missed her a lot. Fortunately we can say this experience of being apart so long has only made us stronger.

    I started looking at your blog when i found it through a link on the Kubrick site and between you and Michael Heilemann and a few other blogs im getting closer and closer to taking the plunge to making a full fledged one and start writing on it.

    Wish me luck, ill need it.

  15. Daniel Pi says:

    Personally, I found the 17 reasons not to slit your wrists on the front page of Michael Moores site pretty uplifting anyways. 🙂

  16. Joen says:

    This discussion deserves a proper reply from me. Thanks all for participating so far, and with such vigor.

    I would have replied sooner, but this whole election has gotten me so depressed that I had little or no strength left, and I’m sure I’m not the only one feeling this way.


    Regarding the size of the victory, I remain unconvinced. Michael Moore comes to the rescue and gives me a few facts to work with, so I’ll quote from him:

    2. Bush’s victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

    3. The only age group in which the majority voted for Kerry was young adults (Kerry: 54%, Bush: 44%), proving once again that your parents are always wrong and you should never listen to them.

    4. In spite of Bush’s win, the majority of Americans still think the country is headed in the wrong direction (56%), think the war wasn’t worth fighting (51%), and don?t approve of the job George W. Bush is doing (52%). (Note to foreigners: Don’t try to figure this one out. It’s an American thing, like Pop Tarts.)

    5. The Republicans will not have a filibuster-proof 60-seat majority in the Senate. If the Democrats do their job, Bush won’t be able to pack the Supreme Court with right-wing ideologues. Did I say “if the Democrats do their job?” Um, maybe better to scratch this one.

    6. Michigan voted for Kerry! So did the entire Northeast, the birthplace of our democracy. So did 6 of the 8 Great Lakes States. And the whole West Coast! Plus Hawaii. Ok, that’s a start. We’ve got most of the fresh water, all of Broadway, and Mt. St. Helens. We can dehydrate them or bury them in lava. And no more show tunes!

    As for “partisan politics”, you have to understand that that’s entirely dependent on your point of view. For instance, one topic that has played a part in this election (and not a big enough part if you ask me): Iraq. Bush lied about the real reasons for the war. The war was illegal, according to Kofi Annan. The war had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, and Bush deployed too few troops to handle it. In fact, there was so much wrong with that war that I’ve written an article about it. Now I may be partisan, but Kerry and the democrats sure as heck aren’t—they are merely quoting facts whilst Bush and the republicans are lying in our faces. If partisan at all, then surely you must refer to the republicans?

    On the topic of the marriage amendments, I will only touch it so briefly, because it is one of the most stupid issues I have encountered in a long while.

    A marriage is, by definition, something related to religion. As such, it is not my domain, but it sure as fuck isn’t the domain of the government either. The constitution separates church and state, and as such it should not legislate on religious matters! As I see it, it is up to God, and each and every priest in the church of the nation. If a priest thinks it’s okay to wed a same-sex couple, then by all means. On the other hand, if a priest thinks it’s fundamentally wrong, then he/she should decline to wed them. I would respect both cases.

    It is stuff for the church to decide on.

    With regards to stem-cell research, Christopher replied better than me, so please see that comment.

    As for drilling in Alaska—That’s a beautiful natural environment. We really shouldn’t dig that to pieces to fuel our SUVs. In my mind, the choice between Alaska and SUVs is real easy. I don’t expect us to agree on this, however, and just like this election, I expect this to be a matter I will lose.

    As for “cutting and running” in Iraq, that’s not what I’m suggesting. What I dislike about Bush’s mongering in Iraq is based on several things. 1. He names it the Axis of evil. 2. He says it’s a crusade on terror. 3. He deploys too few troops. 4. He invokes 9/11 whenever people question it, even though it has nothing to do with Iraq. In other words, I’m not suggesting we (—yes we, Denmark is also participating, much to my dismay) cut and run from Iraq, I’m suggesting a new direction and a new foreign policy. Bush has run the most arrogant, unilateral foreign policy in memory! A war such as this cannot be led alone! Work with Europe on this, instead of dismissing us with comments such as “America will never ask a permission slip to defend it’s freedom”. Sheesh.

    As for karma, well, I do remember what good has come from America. Heck, the very fact that I, a Dane, is discussing this shows that I care, does it not? In fact, during the last for years, I’ve thought more about US politics than Danish national politics. So yes, I do care, and that’s why it’s so sad that Bush has been elected. There are real threats out there, and America has the power to defend us all. So why the heck fight the wrong wars, when there are real challenges out there? Bush is not making the world a safer place, quite the opposite. That’s the problem.

    As much as I disagree with you, I do respect you for standing up for your opinion, defending it, and explaining it here. So no, I do not at all find you arrogant. And yes, I agree that the best thing to do is to move on with a positive attitude. Keep your chin high, and remember karma.


    I’m unsure as to whether the draft will be reinstated, but let’s hope not. Indeed the speech was piercingly sad. I was all but in tears reading the list of casualties of war on Michael Moore’s website yesterday.


    By all means, voice your opinion. I only hope my server would be kinder to comments.

    I dare not guess about 2008 either, but if Bush messes up badly, surely even republicans will see the light? Then again…


    Appreciate your comments on my Journal, thanks. I do not agree though, and while you may be right, legally, I hold my right to be slightly biased in my weblog 🙂


    On this comment I do agree that Christians are generally good people. But the issue is not on Christians, or Christianity, or even religion at all. In fact, that’s at the very core of the issue…

    Religion and politics are two separate things. They cannot be combined successfully. They are separated in the constitution, for a very, very good reason.

    Thanks so much for your comments brian, even though I don’t agree with them (at all 🙂 ), but your voicing them is interesting, and perhaps the only way to truly create some consolation between the two divided parts of the country. Best of luck with your Blog. I hope to not see you on

  17. brian says:

    Ah crap! Its friday, Ive got a lot to do today so Ill have to wait till the weekend to respond to your points. Ill try not to respond to all of them and Ill keep it short and save my extended personal belief spouting for my own blog when I get around to it. Ill only respond to a few of your counter-points not because they are right but some were more wrong than others 😉

    Ive got this infuriating css trick i need to work out today, if you think you might be able to help me out or suggest a workaround I would definately appreciate it. Perhaps someone on here knows how to fix it better than I, if so that would give me a little while for a response.

    My instant messenger handle is DeepRevolution, just drop me an IM and ill send you the link to the site im working on and explain the problem.

    And thanks for the all the responses!

  18. Anonymous says:

    We have the same problem in Australia and have reelected a pathological liar who has been a close ally of Bush when he was the leader of Texas

    The damage Howard is causing Australia will make it harder for the Labor Party to correct when they are the next party to lead Australia

  19. Jens says:

    I see that this thread is nearly dead, but I do wan’t to address any Danish readers to this blog entry by Mr. Anders Carlsen: Det amerikanske valg, en kommentar.

    Enjoy, it’s controversial and well-informed.

  20. Joen says:

    Much appreciated, Jens. I don’t at all mind “nearly dead” threads being brought to life. After all, it’s fairly easy for comment subscribers to unsubscribe, so no worries there.

    I’ll read through the article, perhaps comment a bit later.

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